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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://redsparks.com/playpen/2010/01/25/time-out-preschool/comment-page-1/#comment-2286</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monica, thank you.  Well said.  I agree with you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monica, thank you.  Well said.  I agree with you.<br />
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		<title>By: The Playpen &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Time Out &#8211; Private Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Playpen &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Time Out &#8211; Private Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Out, day three. The series is going swimmingly well, I must say. Yesterday&#8217;s question ended up being more of a hot button than I expected but I think that, even though things got [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it didn&#039;t include the spaces I added to make the book more readable:)</description>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey All,

A little birdie told me about his debate, and I thought I&#039;d chime in.  I have several responses to comments made here and there...


&quot;developmentally-based curriculum&quot;

&quot;developmentally based cirriculum&quot; implies that someone else knows what my child is ready for and understands based on his age.  Not true at all.  It&#039;s a rough guess, but highly inferior to an engaged parent providing regular mental, physical and artistic stimulation for their child.


&quot;Full-time preschool is euphemism for daycare&quot;

so true:)


&quot;I can’t think of a single reason pre-school would harm a child.&quot;

Harm MAY be a little too strong of a word, but I do think it can without a doubt teach a kid awful manners if nothing else.  It&#039;s pretty easy to pick a preschool kid out.  In order to not get completely bullied, even the nicest kid has to learn to grab things they want (if they want to play with anything) and learn to be subtly mean in ways that don&#039;t call attention.  They may also learn more overtly aggressive behaviors from other children when they see those behaviors working so well.


&quot;pre-school would be a benefit in order to provide socialization skills for three and four year olds.&quot;

Huh.  I just don&#039;t get the need to put a kid around a bunch of other kids with similar problems (not sharing, aggressiveness, stinginess...), with not enough adult supervision and think that&#039;s a great thing (socialization).  Kids who stay at home aren&#039;t locked in closets.  They see lots of other people every single day.  There is no need to create a lord of the flies situation.  Even if there is a low adult to kid ration, there is no way to prevent constant misbehaving that is not corrected by an adult.  Tons of stuff is going to go unaddressed, so bad behavior flourishes and is by default rewarded.


&quot;What’s the point of keeping a child at home that is bouncing off the walls? Not to mention benefiting from the social aspect of preschool&quot;

Who said keep them at home?  We go out nearly every day of the week.  Parks, zoo, botanical gardens, park again:)  We usually meet a friend as well on these outings.  In the morning before we leave, we read and sometimes to art or crafts.  In the afternoon after nap, he usually helps me cook.  In the evening, play with toys and more reading.

No keeping a kid inside, and the kid gets socialized.  But when there is one parent to one or two children, you make sure that the children learn how to behave properly in society (no hitting, shoving, pushing, yelling, grabbing...).  That&#039;s what I think of as true socialization.


&quot;He begged to go “full days”. &quot;

Maybe you actually did lots with your kid, but I&#039;m guessing that for whatever reason you didn&#039;t.  Kids do have needs, and it&#039;s no surprise that if they aren&#039;t met, they are going to want a more stimulating environment.  Did you take him out everyday (and not in the yard).  Did you see a friend almost every day of the week?  Did you do art and music at home regularly?  Did you read every single day?  Did you learn new songs often?  Maybe he was just really bored at home, and maybe you weren&#039;t giving him enough friends so he was a little lonely?


&quot;Does the child benefit more from the education or from additional time at home with his or her parent(s)&quot;

I&#039;m not sure why the separation of at home or education?  I guarantee there isn&#039;t a preschool out there that would educate my kid (2yo) better right now than I am.  My child gets more time with mommy, and a superior education than he would in preschool.


&quot;One of the reasons why it’s good to send kids to daycare/ school is because no one REALLY holds up their end of the bargain as parent&quot;

Not here:)  Honestly and seriously.  I do hold up the bargain.  I really do a lot with my kiddo.  I think when we&#039;re planning to have kids, we should ideally expect to do a lot with our kiddos.  It&#039;s a big responsibility, and we should live up to it.  We don&#039;t watch TV, the internet is used for educational activities, he helps with chores (yes my 2 year old helps and loves it), and we don&#039;t do bills when he&#039;s awake, or at least, not both of us at the same time:)  Things like chores for example, I look at as a way to set an example of how to live, and I include him, even though it takes much much longer.  I think it&#039;s a great lesson.

Allllll of that said, I do think preschool is much better than daycare for working parents, it can be good if a parent doesn&#039;t speak English as a 2nd language and wants to surround their kid with English, and several other specific situations (maybe mom is caring for an elderly parent?).  But in general, if the mom is staying at home, preschool just serves to give mom a break, and nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey All,</p>
<p>A little birdie told me about his debate, and I thought I&#8217;d chime in.  I have several responses to comments made here and there&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;developmentally-based curriculum&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;developmentally based cirriculum&#8221; implies that someone else knows what my child is ready for and understands based on his age.  Not true at all.  It&#8217;s a rough guess, but highly inferior to an engaged parent providing regular mental, physical and artistic stimulation for their child.</p>
<p>&#8220;Full-time preschool is euphemism for daycare&#8221;</p>
<p>so true:)</p>
<p>&#8220;I can’t think of a single reason pre-school would harm a child.&#8221;</p>
<p>Harm MAY be a little too strong of a word, but I do think it can without a doubt teach a kid awful manners if nothing else.  It&#8217;s pretty easy to pick a preschool kid out.  In order to not get completely bullied, even the nicest kid has to learn to grab things they want (if they want to play with anything) and learn to be subtly mean in ways that don&#8217;t call attention.  They may also learn more overtly aggressive behaviors from other children when they see those behaviors working so well.</p>
<p>&#8220;pre-school would be a benefit in order to provide socialization skills for three and four year olds.&#8221;</p>
<p>Huh.  I just don&#8217;t get the need to put a kid around a bunch of other kids with similar problems (not sharing, aggressiveness, stinginess&#8230;), with not enough adult supervision and think that&#8217;s a great thing (socialization).  Kids who stay at home aren&#8217;t locked in closets.  They see lots of other people every single day.  There is no need to create a lord of the flies situation.  Even if there is a low adult to kid ration, there is no way to prevent constant misbehaving that is not corrected by an adult.  Tons of stuff is going to go unaddressed, so bad behavior flourishes and is by default rewarded.</p>
<p>&#8220;What’s the point of keeping a child at home that is bouncing off the walls? Not to mention benefiting from the social aspect of preschool&#8221;</p>
<p>Who said keep them at home?  We go out nearly every day of the week.  Parks, zoo, botanical gardens, park again:)  We usually meet a friend as well on these outings.  In the morning before we leave, we read and sometimes to art or crafts.  In the afternoon after nap, he usually helps me cook.  In the evening, play with toys and more reading.</p>
<p>No keeping a kid inside, and the kid gets socialized.  But when there is one parent to one or two children, you make sure that the children learn how to behave properly in society (no hitting, shoving, pushing, yelling, grabbing&#8230;).  That&#8217;s what I think of as true socialization.</p>
<p>&#8220;He begged to go “full days”. &#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe you actually did lots with your kid, but I&#8217;m guessing that for whatever reason you didn&#8217;t.  Kids do have needs, and it&#8217;s no surprise that if they aren&#8217;t met, they are going to want a more stimulating environment.  Did you take him out everyday (and not in the yard).  Did you see a friend almost every day of the week?  Did you do art and music at home regularly?  Did you read every single day?  Did you learn new songs often?  Maybe he was just really bored at home, and maybe you weren&#8217;t giving him enough friends so he was a little lonely?</p>
<p>&#8220;Does the child benefit more from the education or from additional time at home with his or her parent(s)&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why the separation of at home or education?  I guarantee there isn&#8217;t a preschool out there that would educate my kid (2yo) better right now than I am.  My child gets more time with mommy, and a superior education than he would in preschool.</p>
<p>&#8220;One of the reasons why it’s good to send kids to daycare/ school is because no one REALLY holds up their end of the bargain as parent&#8221;</p>
<p>Not here:)  Honestly and seriously.  I do hold up the bargain.  I really do a lot with my kiddo.  I think when we&#8217;re planning to have kids, we should ideally expect to do a lot with our kiddos.  It&#8217;s a big responsibility, and we should live up to it.  We don&#8217;t watch TV, the internet is used for educational activities, he helps with chores (yes my 2 year old helps and loves it), and we don&#8217;t do bills when he&#8217;s awake, or at least, not both of us at the same time:)  Things like chores for example, I look at as a way to set an example of how to live, and I include him, even though it takes much much longer.  I think it&#8217;s a great lesson.</p>
<p>Allllll of that said, I do think preschool is much better than daycare for working parents, it can be good if a parent doesn&#8217;t speak English as a 2nd language and wants to surround their kid with English, and several other specific situations (maybe mom is caring for an elderly parent?).  But in general, if the mom is staying at home, preschool just serves to give mom a break, and nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://redsparks.com/playpen/2010/01/25/time-out-preschool/comment-page-1/#comment-2227</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daycare?  I started taking my 3-year-old to work every day the moment she could walk.  
Honey, can you grab the letter opener for daddy?  Now don&#039;t run with it.  
Sweety, can you give this note to Mike over there?  Daddy doesn&#039;t like him very much but doesn&#039;t want to tell him to his face. Little lady, what did you do with my TPS report? Talk about real world learning!  I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything better. Come to think of it, isn&#039;t work really just adult daycare?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daycare?  I started taking my 3-year-old to work every day the moment she could walk.<br />
Honey, can you grab the letter opener for daddy?  Now don&#8217;t run with it.<br />
Sweety, can you give this note to Mike over there?  Daddy doesn&#8217;t like him very much but doesn&#8217;t want to tell him to his face. Little lady, what did you do with my TPS report? Talk about real world learning!  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything better. Come to think of it, isn&#8217;t work really just adult daycare?<br />
Matt &#8211; why no men on the panel?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://redsparks.com/playpen/2010/01/25/time-out-preschool/comment-page-1/#comment-2225</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mr Lady, @Kori, I am sure you are both 100% correct, and I DO feel the baby books are to blame a bit. But as you both know, I don’t do “going with it,” very well. No matter how hard I try, I always think I can do better, yet rarely do.

Also, didn’t know about the Viagra limit. I was starting to wonder why everything looks blue all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mr Lady, @Kori, I am sure you are both 100% correct, and I DO feel the baby books are to blame a bit. But as you both know, I don’t do “going with it,” very well. No matter how hard I try, I always think I can do better, yet rarely do.</p>
<p>Also, didn’t know about the Viagra limit. I was starting to wonder why everything looks blue all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Lady</title>
		<link>http://redsparks.com/playpen/2010/01/25/time-out-preschool/comment-page-1/#comment-2223</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt, what Kori said. I think common sense dictates that you can&#039;t do anything for too long straight. Hell, there&#039;s a limit for how long you can do Viagra.

I have always held firm that if people drop the stupid baby books and just went with it, a whole lot of lives would be easier for everyone.
.-= Mr Lady´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whiskeyinmysippycup.com/2010/01/25/insomnia/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;If The Paranoia Doesn’t Destroy Me, The Insomnia Sure Will&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt, what Kori said. I think common sense dictates that you can&#8217;t do anything for too long straight. Hell, there&#8217;s a limit for how long you can do Viagra.</p>
<p>I have always held firm that if people drop the stupid baby books and just went with it, a whole lot of lives would be easier for everyone.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Mr Lady´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.whiskeyinmysippycup.com/2010/01/25/insomnia/" rel="nofollow">If The Paranoia Doesn’t Destroy Me, The Insomnia Sure Will</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://redsparks.com/playpen/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt, Oh my gosh, EVERYONE neds a break from their kids.  Frankly, even if I didn&#039;t HAVE to work, I totally would, because I need that adult time.  I think we all get caught up in the Good Parent/Bad Parent Hoopla that we forget that we are adult human beings who were friends and lovers and employees and volunteers and...LONG before we became parents.  Some people thrive on being home with their kids all the time, some don&#039;t, but EVEN the most content stay at home parent needs a break.  And if they say they don&#039;t, they probably drink too much or exercise compulsively or some other escapism behavior.  Give yourself a break. :)
.-= Kori´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://seekorirant.com/?p=903&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peace might not reign, but it does dwell&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt, Oh my gosh, EVERYONE neds a break from their kids.  Frankly, even if I didn&#8217;t HAVE to work, I totally would, because I need that adult time.  I think we all get caught up in the Good Parent/Bad Parent Hoopla that we forget that we are adult human beings who were friends and lovers and employees and volunteers and&#8230;LONG before we became parents.  Some people thrive on being home with their kids all the time, some don&#8217;t, but EVEN the most content stay at home parent needs a break.  And if they say they don&#8217;t, they probably drink too much or exercise compulsively or some other escapism behavior.  Give yourself a break. <img src='http://redsparks.com/playpen/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<span class="cluv"> Kori´s last blog ..<a href="http://seekorirant.com/?p=903" rel="nofollow">Peace might not reign, but it does dwell</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://redsparks.com/playpen/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mr Lady, ran out of room in my own comments...sheesh.  Perhaps because no one, present company excepted, ever TALKS about needing time away from their kid, or vice versa.  I&#039;m sure it happens, but for me?  Honestly?  The awesome education/socialization benefits my daughter is receiving are simply positive side effects of me not really knowing how to entertain her, scratch that, STIMULATE her all day long.
And I&#039;d probably say no at this point.  I&#039;ve never really like Brooklyn.  San Francisco has a nice bridge though.  Good aquarium, too.  You know, for before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mr Lady, ran out of room in my own comments&#8230;sheesh.  Perhaps because no one, present company excepted, ever TALKS about needing time away from their kid, or vice versa.  I&#8217;m sure it happens, but for me?  Honestly?  The awesome education/socialization benefits my daughter is receiving are simply positive side effects of me not really knowing how to entertain her, scratch that, STIMULATE her all day long.<br />
And I&#8217;d probably say no at this point.  I&#8217;ve never really like Brooklyn.  San Francisco has a nice bridge though.  Good aquarium, too.  You know, for before.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt, what is it that makes you feel like a failure? Did your doctor tell you you&#039;re never allowed to need a break from your kid? Or is it peer pressure? If someone told you to jump of the Brooklyn Bridge.....
.-= Mr Lady´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whiskeyinmysippycup.com/2010/01/25/insomnia/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;If The Paranoia Doesn’t Destroy Me, The Insomnia Sure Will&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt, what is it that makes you feel like a failure? Did your doctor tell you you&#8217;re never allowed to need a break from your kid? Or is it peer pressure? If someone told you to jump of the Brooklyn Bridge&#8230;..<br />
<span class="cluv"> Mr Lady´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.whiskeyinmysippycup.com/2010/01/25/insomnia/" rel="nofollow">If The Paranoia Doesn’t Destroy Me, The Insomnia Sure Will</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://redsparks.com/playpen/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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